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Wednesday, April 12, 2006

A Big Middle Finger From The Left

UC Santa Cruz police officers make sure military recruiters have room to load their van after abandoning their on-campus efforts. Chronicle photo by Frederic Larson

SANTA CRUZ MILITARY RECRUITERS CONFRONTED BY CROWD

From the San Fran Chronicle

Four military recruiters hastily fled a job fair Tuesday morning at UC Santa Cruz after a raucous crowd of student protesters blocked an entrance to the building where the Army and National Guard had set up information tables.

Members of Students Against War, who organized the counter-recruiting protest, loudly chanted "Don't come back. Don't come back" as the recruiters left the hilltop campus, escorted by several university police officers.

"The situation had degraded to the point where there was a possibility of injury to either a student or law enforcement officer. We certainly didn't want that to happen,'' said Capt. Will Griffin, one of the Army recruiters.

These are the tactics of The Left. You don't see this kind of crap from the conservative ranks. The Left will shout you down, block your entrance, throw pies, key your car, makes asses of themselves. They don't believe that the Constitution applies to the very soldiers who protect their freedoms.

I'm simply astonished at the audacity of these protesters actions. The SUPREME COURT recently handed down a decision that says military recruiters have a right to be on campus. Potential enlistees have a fundamental right to meet with these recruiters and to join the armed services if that is their wish. Your Constitutional Rights mean NOTHING to The Left. If you don't agree with them, then you don't deserve your rights.

Take a look at the Army recruiter in this picture. This guy could break any one those limpwristed protesters into about a million worthless pieces. You can't miss the disgusted look on his face. This soldier has probably put his life on the line for his country and what does he get for it?

A big middle finger from The Left.

They think their views are mainstream....

13 Comments:

Blogger Jason Ward said...

How depressing it is to think that government PELL grants are paying for much of the protestor's education.

That's the law that should be written. Any obstruction towards military recruiters and your fed. $'s disappear.

I know it is disappointing for this soldier, but at the end of the day he must get satisfaction knowing that he is the better man.

I wish I knew who he was. I'd send him a letter of support..

2:17 AM  
Blogger Jason Ward said...

Shit.... that is a law that schools receiving funds allow recruiters..

Score one for Congress...

The recruiters should go right back tomorrow and if this happens again then the government should act fast to enforce this law. I guarantee, once that money dries up so will the protestors.

2:22 AM  
Blogger Jason Ward said...

I can't tell you how much this pisses me off. I think Republicans, in general, could learn to understand tolerance better. But the left, their single-mindedness guised in the aura of acceptance and diversity is sickening.

This behavior is so commonplace, yet it seems the Dems always get a pass.

"Make love, not war"...but they are the first to attack pro-war demonstrators at rallies.

"Economic inequality must stop"...but they rabidly reject school vouchers for poor children

"Global warming is destroying the planet"....yet they'd rather our politicians spend billions on Kyoto rather than feeding and educating the world

"Open your mind"....only if you are opening your mind to Chomskyite material

Bush's lack of eloquence gives the left fuel and allows their actions to go unnoticed or at leased suppresed. It's a real shame, because they've exposed themselves, but they don't look so bad when the President is calling everyone 'evildoers'.

2:39 AM  
Blogger joe said...

I think attributing a single protest completely by college kids is hardly indicative of the left.

Apparently these guys chose to leave on their own, they werent kicked out, and nobody was threatened, unless I missed that in the article.

Anyway, the feds cant withdrawal funding becuase of what any group of students might do, they can only withold funding for the university's actions.

To say the right is any different is just disengenouos, and from what I've seen at Abortion clinics (granted only in the news) they can quite often be quite worse.

10:53 PM  
Blogger Senor said...

Where was campus security, Joe? The recruiters left for reasons of 'safety'. In other words, a mob was forming and it wasnt going to be safe. Any good red-blooded American who tried to enter and speak with the recruiters would have been tarred and feathers.
It is the university's fault. They have campus police who could have put a stop to this near-riot.

There are new laws regarding abortion clinics, Joe. You get arrested if you try to block somebody from entering.

These students trampled all over the rights of other students who dont agree with their twisted libtard philosophy. They deserve to lose their federal funding.

This is an everyday thing across the country, Joe. Conservative speakers need police protection when they go on campus because of the threats of violence. Yes, there are whackjobs on both sides, but the Left is notorious for this crap. Its the first page of their playbook:

Shout the opposition down, dont let their voice be heard.
Is that what America means to you? Is that why you condone it?

9:59 PM  
Blogger joe said...

Okay kevin, so now that there are new laws protecting abortion clinics, that means you can ignore the actions of the right that forced us to put those laws into place? good to know.

I still havent heard anything about a "dangerous mob" though it looks like you have. I did read about kids being unafraid to voice their opinions, and yes, if there is no violence, that is completely acceptable.

Since when is stating your own opinion trampling the rights of others? This was a job fair, there is no "right" to be at a job fair, there is no law that states if a university has a job fair the military must be allowed. There are rules about recruiters being allowed access to schools, and schools always give their student lists to recruiters. What exactly are you saying? That schools need to also give the recruiters a forum and police protection? They dont do that for anyone else.

You imply that the School is at fault for not providing the military protection against its students... that is some crazy drug you must be smoking. in your own post it says: Members of Students Against War, who organized the counter-recruiting protest, loudly chanted "Don't come back. Don't come back" as the recruiters left the hilltop campus, escorted by several university police officers.
Are those the university police that werent doing their job? I'm at a loss to imagine how you missed that.

Maybe you are implying they should have gotten rid of the students instead of the recruiters. How would you do that? Lock them up? For what?

I completely disagree with you about the whole needing protection thing, there are plenty of conservatives who do not need nor ever hire personal security. The only ones who do are the ones who say the craziest crap, like Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh...et al. Any sane conservative can speak anywhere they want without fear. Just like most liberals. I would venture to say that Noam Chomsky needs some protection, though I could be wrong. I'm sure Ward Churchill needs some protection as well. Extremists always attract extremists. I dont think Chomsky is an extremist. he just seems to be at odds with most US Policy, but from the reaction of many you'd think he eats Christian babies for breakfast. mmmm

Shout the opposition down, dont let their voice be heard.
Is that what America means to you? Is that why you condone it?


That's an interesting question, so where exactly did I condone this? All I did was point out some simple facts.
But since you ask, no I dont condone what you call "The first page in the left's playbook" if I did I'd spend my time taking down sites like yours rather than contributing to the discussion. I'd have thought that would be obvious.

10:52 PM  
Blogger Senor said...

Joe, the article says the recruiters were escorted away out of concerns for their safety. That constitutes danger from a mob, i.e. 'dangerous mob'. They were concerned that somebody would be HURT.

It's one thing to protest, its completely another to forbid lawful entry onto the campus especially considering that The Supreme Court says they have a RIGHT to be there.

Let's say Cindy Sheehan is giving the commencement address at a college and I protest. Thats legal. Now lets say we block the entrance so nobody can enter. We wear black ski masks and shout threats to intimidate anybody who wants to hear Sheehan. Thats alright with you?

Now here is where you prove that the constitution means nothing to you:

"The only ones who do (need protection) are the ones who say the craziest crap, like Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh...et al. Any sane conservative can speak anywhere they want without fear."

Oh....so free speech only applies to the conservatives that don't say 'crazy crap'? And who decides that what they are saying is 'crazy crap' and that they dont merit their 1st amendment rights?

YOU AND YOUR CROWD, JOE, thats who. What a bunch of hypocrites.

5:01 AM  
Blogger joe said...

Oh....so free speech only applies to the conservatives that don't say 'crazy crap'? And who decides that what they are saying is 'crazy crap' and that they dont merit their 1st amendment rights?

YOU AND YOUR CROWD, JOE, thats who. What a bunch of hypocrites.


I didnt say anything about free speech applying only to sane conservatives, What I did say is: there are plenty of conservatives who do not need nor ever hire personal security.

That has nothing to do with free speech, it has to do with what that person feels is necessary for THEIR OWN PERSONAL SECURITY. Stop twisting my words.

I not only agree that these folks have the right to speak I insist that they have the right to speak. Do you also think I meant that the liberals I mentioned that need security dont have the right to free speech? maybe you missed that part.

Point out 1 instance of my hypocracy Kevin, just 1. And please lets not blame me for something someone else has done, I dont accuse you of other people's hypocracy, I only point out your own glaring lack of consistence.

Who is my crowd? Socialists, communitists, liberals? what exactly do you mean? I'm not properly represented by any of those groups, which is why I vote independant. I strongly urge others to speak out against the kind of ridiculous talking points I keep finding here on your site, and as should be obvious, I do so myself.

Here's an eye-witness account of the protest: CHP: City On A Hill Press

Beleive who you like.

You can always check out Malkin's site where she posted phone numbers and contact info of these non-violent protesters who have been getting death threats from Malkin's fan base here: Michelle Malkin

But be sure to check what she says against her posted links, becuase they dont match up. SHE posted the personal info of these students, the press release specifically was for the press, and she was asked to remove the persoanl info, as every legitimate media outlet did. Folks like Malkin bring their own problems on themselves Kevin, and that's why they feel they need protection.

Personally I am no coward, I go where I want when I want, I know many people disagree with my views, but I dont go around inciting violence so I never need protection I cant naturally provide for myself. That might be different if I acted as irresponibly as Malkin and her ilk. But it still has nothing to do with her freedom of speech. The only thing that effects her freedom of speech, just like everyone else... is HOW she chooses to use it.

4:31 PM  
Blogger Senor said...

1> Good one, Joe. The phone numbers Michelle Malkin has posted on her site are from the website and email that was sent out by Students Against War. Hardly top secret personal numbers.

2>You said, "Point out 1 instance of my hypocracy Kevin, just 1."

How about your hypocrisy concerning free speech? And I quote:

"The only ones who do (need protection) are the ones who say the craziest crap, like Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh...et al. Any sane conservative can speak anywhere they want without fear."

Mighty big of you. As long as they say things you like, you are ok with their freedom of speech and they need not fear being physically harmed.

3> You claim that as long as there is no violence, no harm done. What about the threat of violence they used to suppress others right to free speech?

I quote from the story you cited:
"Yet as protestors’ chants erupted outside, recruiters inside the building showed signs of nervousness—pacing...

Tensions rose as protestors waited, debating tactics, unclear on how to proceed while police forces mounted..."

This means they were yelling crap like 'lets take the building' and 'hang these murderers'. You know, the usual liberal protest banter.

4>This is also a GREAT quote from the gang at SAW:
“Students have a right to decide who can be on campus. This is our campus and we don’t support the war,” Kornbluh said.

Oh really? Now you get to decide for ALL of the students who can be on campus? VERY BIG OF YOU.

These shitheels should have been arrested.

6:40 PM  
Blogger joe said...

You just have no comprehension of english do you? Show me where I said those who incite violence on the right arent allowed free speech.

What I did say: "The only ones who do (need protection) are the ones who say the craziest crap, like Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh...et al. Any sane conservative can speak anywhere they want without fear."

That's right, those who do incite violence are the ones who most feel they need security. That has NOTHING to do with free speech.

I'm almost positive you are just making this up, where did you hear the chanting of "taking the building"? and "hanging these murderers"? Please give me the link to that little tidbit.

As for Students thinking they can control what goes on in their Schools, obviously they cannot. Kids are often a bit overboard, its what youth is all about: extremes. Has it really been so long that you have forgotten that? Or maybe its that you disagree, have not grown up at all, and are still as extremely polarized?

What exactly would you have arrested these "shitheels" for? Speaking their minds? peaceably demonstrating? disagreeing with you? tell me please, what should we arrest them for?

Yes the numbers Malkin posted were part of the SAW's press release, and yes it is on their website... the problem is: Malkin is a hate monger who's readers react as pathetically as you do to people who disagree with them, and posting these childrens numbers on her website is the equivalent of me giving out your address to the psychos over at ELF or PETA, or the militant wing of Greenpeace. Obviously all of these organizations have moderates, just as there are moderate republicans and conservatives, liberals and democrats, communits and socialists, ad infinitum... Michelle is perfectly aware of the strife she engenders, she is the proverbial idiot shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. We can disagree whether that type of free speech is protected or not, but I'm not calling for her to shut up, I think the more people hear of her and the Limbaugh's and Savage's of the world, the more people will wake up to what they are doing.

What's the old saying: You live by the sword, you die by the sword. In cases like Malkin, her sword is the propagation of hatred and bigotry, and that is exactly the type of people she attracts...from both sides.

That has nothing to do with her freedom to speak her mind, it has everything to do with the reactions of extremists.

8:02 PM  
Blogger Senor said...

Jesus Christ, Joe. It's just a blog. I get maybe 10 hits a day...

8:14 PM  
Blogger joe said...

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but good for you!

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