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Sunday, March 05, 2006

Speaking Of Liars....

Moveon.org is issuing orders to its Digital Brownshirt brigade.:

You know Bush went on TV four days after the briefing and said, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

Well, as it turns out, many actual reporters covering this story for papers across the nation missed this crucial point entirely—helping Bush to get away with a lie. Please help us ensure your local paper gets it right.
Please check your local paper online today, and contact them if they didn't report Bush's lie.

Please call and ask to speak to the news room and then call back and ask to speak to the editorial board. Let them know the public demands that Bush's lie be covered for what it is—in the news and on the editorial page.

As usual, they know Bush didnt lie. They are playing the 'ignorant card'.
Here are some basic definitions regarding levees that The Left ISNT REPORTING:
water flowing over a levee
Breaching: failure of levee, a collapse

Max Mayfield, by video in the August 28 video conference: "I don't think anybody can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not, but that's obviously a very, very grave concern."

Lisa Myers of NBC, one of the few who reported THE FACTS:
Myers: "Today Mayfield told NBC News that he warned only that the levees might be topped, not breached, and that on the many conference calls he monitored, 'nobody talked about the possibility of a levee breach or failure until after it happened.'

In fact, senior White House officials asked Louisiana Governor Blanco how the levees are holding up."
Governor Kathleen Blanco (D-LA), audio from August 29: "We keep getting reports in some places that maybe water is coming over the levees. We've heard a report unconfirmed. I think we've heard that we have not breached the levee. We have not breached the levee at this point in time."

Myers: "We now know that an hour before Blanco's assessment, a FEMA official alerted superiors to reports that at least one levee had failed, information which didn't reach the White House until almost midnight. Lisa Myers, NBC News, New Orleans."

Why is it so necessary for The Left to consistently misrepresent the entire story? Who are the liars here? Only NBC and FOX reported the entire story.


Blogger joe said...

Uh, okay, so in what way is water over a levee not a breach of a levee?

This seems pretty obvious to me.

What is a levee's job? keep water out.

What would constitute a levee breach?
Water getting past the levee, over under or through, it is still a breach.

This also ignores FEMA's 2004 Drill for mock Hurricane Pam, where they did indeed expect the flooding of the area's protected by the levee system, and expected that less than 1/2 of the populace could be evacuated, neccesitating major rescue operations.

This is the kind of symantic argument that only works with folks who dont own a dictionary. next.

3:16 PM  
Blogger Senor said...

Look in the dictionary then. Breach is described as 'a collapse'.

Then speak to an engineer. He will tell you the same. Water topping over a dam or levee is serious. It causes flooding. But it is nothing compared to the 'breaching' of a levee, the complete failure of the wall as it collapses causing major destruction.
Words have meanings.

4:53 PM  
Blogger joe said...

1. An opening, a tear, or a rupture.
2. A gap or rift, especially in or as if in a solid structure such as a dike or fortification.
2. A violation or infraction, as of a law, a legal obligation, or a promise.
3. A breaking up or disruption of friendly relations; an estrangement.
4. A leap of a whale from the water.
5. The breaking of waves or surf.

Now obviously much of this makes your point, but lets look at #5 shall we? the very act of waves or surf breaking is a breach.
or #2 which makes the point that a breach can simply the failure to meet a promise...such as a levee not holding back water.

Its never as simple as "we never said there would be a hole in the levee" any failure of the levee is a breach. That you cannot see that amazes me. Frankly this would never be a problem if the administration would simply not make a statement without first checking the facts. It makes them look like a pack of liars even if they arent.

12:30 AM  
Blogger Senor said...

1. a breaking or being broken
3. an opening made by a breakthrough, as in a wall, line of defense
4. a broken or torn place or part

Websters New World Dictionary

Frankly, Joe, its the media that needs to investigate all the facts before screaming 'liar'.

6:47 AM  
Blogger joe said...

Good point but what about this?

"In a document it called "Setting the Record Straight," the White House said Bush's Aug. 28 videoconference "was open to the press and the full transcript of this videoconference was released to Congress and the public in the fall of 2005."

However, only the opening portion of the conference, where Bush made brief remarks, was witnessed by a small news media pool. And full transcripts of that and other sessions were not released by either the administration or Congress.

Brown said Bush and other top officials knew from those briefings there was a serious chance that New Orleans' levees would be breached. "Everybody else knew and clearly on our conference calls it was being discussed," Brown said in a March 1 interview with The Associated Press."
The report can be read here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/report/2006/katrina-lessons_wh_060223_ch4.htm

So Brown, who was in that meeting, also says it was discussed. What part of Liar dont you get yet?

I do agree that its important for the media to check their facts. but Its much more important for our elected representatives to tell us the truth. Maybe some day that will happen, but my guess is it wont be while we have democrats and republicans in office. I just hope it doesnt take another civil war here, but it probably will.

7:18 PM  
Anonymous pekka said...

Joe, I think your emotions are taking over the reason, this time, by suggesting that the civil war is imminent. I do wonder often, though, if your two-party system gives enough coverage to reflect the multitude of views in your society. Surely you, as a democratic nation, should instead of having civil war go by the way of poltical reforms.

6:44 PM  
Anonymous pekka said...

Sorry to be a pain in the ass and not shutting up but something popped up in my mind! The last time you guys had the civil war, it was a bloody mess. It propably was necessary one but the price you paid was horrendous and, in a way, you might still keep paying for it. If I get it right, there still is a recidue of animosity between the South and the North. Am I far off the mark here?

6:56 PM  

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